# Saint John of Jerusalem (3 Baramudah)

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Saint John of Jerusalem, designated in this entry’s title for 3 Baramudah, cannot be identified securely from the supplied passages. The excerpts describe several other figures named John, but none explicitly connects that name, Jerusalem, and the stated commemoration. A biographical account therefore requires additional source material.

## Overview

**Source limitation:** The supplied material does not support a biographical article on the precise editorial topic, **Saint John of Jerusalem (3 Baramudah)**. The name and date are retained as the assigned title, not presented as independently verified information. The unresolved identification and commemoration are recorded in the ungrounded list.

## Identification and similarly named saints

Several supplied excerpts identify saints named John by a particular office, locality, or feast date. These explicit identifiers are important when assessing whether a passage can support this entry: the account of John of Armant calls him a bishop and assigns 7 Kiyahk, while the account of John the Baptist identifies the New Testament forerunner of the Messiah and assigns 30 Ba’unah.[^1][^2]

### John, bishop of Armant

The encyclopedia’s entry is headed “John, Saint, Bishop of Armant” and gives his feast day as **7 Kiyahk**. Its opening places his parents in Armant, also called Hermonthis, and describes their occupation as carpentry. Those details belong to the subject explicitly identified by that entry; they do not establish the identity requested here.[^1]

### John the Baptist

The account of John the Baptist calls him the forerunner of the Messiah and gives his feast day as **30 Ba’unah**. It also situates his traditional birthplace at ‘Ayn Karim, approximately four miles west of Jerusalem. This geographical reference concerns the Baptist’s birth tradition, rather than an identification of a saint under the title used for the present entry.[^2]

### John of Sanhut and the Shubra relic tradition

The passage on Dayr Yuhanna at Damanhur Shubra reports that, according to Abu al-Makarim, the body of **Saint John of Sanhut** was preserved in the church of Saint Theodorus at Shubra and subsequently transferred to the Church of Our Lady in the same town. Its discussion of al-Maqrizi’s account assigns the associated feast to **8 Bashans**.[^3]

These passages supply useful identifying information for their own subjects, but they should not be combined into a life of the saint named in this entry. A source explicitly identifying **John of Jerusalem** and his association with **3 Baramudah** is needed before a grounded account of his history, spiritual significance, or liturgical commemoration can be written.

## Frequently asked questions

**Do the supplied sources identify Saint John of Jerusalem?**
None of the supplied excerpts explicitly identifies a Saint John of Jerusalem commemorated on 3 Baramudah. His biography and feast date cannot be verified from this material.

**Can the account of Saint John of Armant be used for this saint?**
The supplied account identifies its subject as bishop of Armant and gives his feast as 7 Kiyahk. It provides no identification with the Saint John of Jerusalem named in this entry.

**Do the passages about Saint John’s relics at Shubra concern this saint?**
The passage about Damanhur Shubra identifies the relics as those of Saint John of Sanhut and gives the associated feast as 8 Bashans. It does not connect them with Saint John of Jerusalem or 3 Baramudah.

## Sources
[^1]: The Coptic Encyclopedia, Volume 5, Aziz S. Atiya (Editor in Chief) (p. 1)
[^2]: The Coptic Encyclopedia, Volume 5, Aziz S. Atiya (Editor in Chief) (p. 4)
[^3]: The Coptic Encyclopedia, Volume 3, Aziz S. Atiya (Editor in Chief) (p. 519)